May 17, 2012 11:42 AM
Dream Rig: Falling in and out of love...with you
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After spending years with various modeling units and software, I wanted to go back and buy a true, all-tube amp and trade in my Vox Valetronix head (first edition, "blue" series). Then I saw...this! Damnit!! I couldn't believe the tones and diversity they were getting out of this setup ![]()
I wasn't even remotely interested in the DT50 or this "Dream Rig" concept at first. The DT50 is too loud and doesn't have the sort of sounds I was going for (small, low-wattage, boutique style amp) and the POD looked too complicated and cumbersome to manage. I was sure that what I wanted was going to be pure analog with NO digital whatsever, until I encountered this DT25 head video. It really convinced me that Line 6 finally got this hybrid technology right. I went to Guitar Center to confirm what I was seeing and hearing in this video and I was properly impressed
The amp, by itself, delivered on its promise of sounding like a true tube amp while emulating the four greats: Fender, Vox, Marshall and Mesa Boogie. Wow! Naturally, I had to buy it. I got it home, plugged it in to my Vox "blue" cabinet with Celestion "Neo Dogs" and maaaan, it sounds sweeeeeet!! I was satisfied, for a little while. After a few weeks, I realized that needed some effects and pedals to drive the front end. Here's where my delima started: Do I, 1) get the matching POD HD500 2) get the M13 and run the "four cable method" OR 3) invest in analog drive and distortion boxes in front with a few delays and such through the FX loop? The HD500 was the most obvious choice because I already had a JTV Variax and wanted that added functionality. So, I went with that and hoped for the best. $1320 later...in the time that I've had the HD500, I've been in and out of love with this whole "Dream Rig" concept. The POD HD exponentially raises the learning curve and has required a LOT of manual reading, searching the community and support forums and watching videos to get even the basics going. It's VERY easy to make it sound BAD and fairly difficult to make it sound good
I was starting to think that the HD500 is not the right mate for an otherwise brilliant concept and design
It turns an otherwise simple, plug and play setup that sounds AWESOME into a complicated mess! Adding the HD500 into the chain, I've experienced HARSH tones, difficult gain staging with the volume going from being stupidly loud to way too quiet from one amp to the next
The Fender and Marshall "Pres" on the HD500 do NOT sound as good as the amp's built in modeling (and yes, I've read the threads on this; they simply weren't matching up) and HD Edit leaves a LOT to be desired for tone editing (no component presets, no drag and drop effects rack and a weird interface). After a week or so of this suffering, I was reminded of why I have this love/hate relationship with digital modeling
When it works, it is out-of-this-world amazing! When it doesn't, it's hard to get ANYTHING to sound right or good to me <sigh> I was ready to take it all back (even the DT25 head) and lo and behold, this morning, I was blown away again. What!?$@*% This thing is amazing!!! Everything was sounding great again. I had the "Plexi 100 Pre" going into the HT25 with my JTV set on "Spank" and "Lester" and it was EXACTLY right to my ears. Throw a "Tube Driver" in front or another OD or DRIVE pedal and I was...THERE! Oh man, why did I complicate my life like this?!
Why isn't a simple tube amp and effects unit good enough for me anymore? I'm completely spoiled and tonally ruined by this technology.
So, what changed? I reflashed the HD500 to the newest firmware (2.x) 3 separate times and while I can't prove it, the tone sounded different every time. The first flash was OK, the second flash was hideously harsh and the models lacked their character and by the third flash, it has sounded great (well, so far anyway). The only thing I did different on the most recent, third flash was to unplug ALL of the cables (VDI, AES L6 Link, S/PDIF, MIDI to USB, etc.) Could THIS have made all the difference? I don't know but what I DO know is that this setup is unusually complex for a guitar rig and my experience with the HD500 so far, is that is UNPREDICTABLE and not incredibly stable. I hold out hope that it may just be user error and in time, I will work it out all out.
That's my rant/report on this "Dream Rig". What do YOU guys think so far?
Thanks for reading ![]()
Rich
My god dude, you sound just like me. I've had this stuff a long time now and still can't put my faith and or belief in it. I've started from scratch that many times and know how to program the HD500 inside out and like you, the problem I have is when I plug it into the DT50 head it all goes either crap or brilliant. I have to have a reliable rig I can gig with every week and I still need more convincing that this is it.
I was scanning the forum the other day and read something about using the HD500 purely for effects. Well I got that very opportunity rather quickly since when I plugged it into the DT50 yesterday, I discovered I have a valve gone **** up. So, I unplugged the amp and plugged in my Mesa 50/50 stereo tube amp and set about the 500 again. I thought of going along the lines of setting it up just like I have my stomp box pedal board I use for gigging. Ok so I don't have a two channel amp for clean and distortion and no FX loop for the delay and reverb and therefore, had to use distortion on the HD and add a reverb. The results were pleasing and took it out jamming last night and on the whole was ok but not perfect. Further tweaking would certainly have improved the rig but it was good enough for jamming. Driving the tubes in the amp with the Tube drive effect is bloody good (I had the amp singing) and the natural clean sound of the amp is gorgeous. So no amp models in sight and all effects in series straight to the inputs. I didn't really have chance to set up an EQ which I would normally use for boost so I rode the volume pedal but that was the same as turning down the volume pot on the guitar anyway. Like I said, not perfect but simple and works as well as expected. It's something I am going to improve upon but as soon as I replace the valves in the DT50 I'll be back to the stomp box kit again until such times as I can make this lot work for me and not have to spend many more hours buggering about.
Keep rockin dude, I'm sure it's in there some where and that's the reason I haven't sold it all.
Great response Mark! Please keep us posted on your progress and I will do the same ![]()
Awww maaaan, I have to take it back now
After re-flashing the firmware (by first, removing EVERY plug except the USB cable) two times (something was really wrong), installing the most recent driver and getting over some of the steep learning curve (especially conerning the gain staging and dual "INPUT SOURCE" setup), I am actually VERY satisfied now. In fact, this combination (DT25 + POD HD500) sounds AMAZING! It might be the best rig I have ever owned!! I am able to get wondeful tones from nearly ALL of the pres. I don't know what was happening before but...I LOVE THIS SETUP!!!
Everything seems to sound and work the way I expected it would ![]()
MeAmBobbo's PodHD Guide was VERY helpful to me in getting this all sorted out. For those who are frustrated, don't give up until you read through his sections about "harsh tone' and "gain staging".
All the best,
Rich
Rich,
Do you use the way on the HD500?
If you do, is there a half second to a whole second gap of nothingness while engaging and disengaging it, given that you have re flashed a few times. For me personally this is totally unacceptable and I can't gig in a 3 piece as I do when sound just stops dead just because I engage a Wah.
Regards
Mark - can you give me some specific times when you are hearing this total sound drop out. I've been performing live in a 3pc band with this Dream Rig gear or just the JTV & HD500 and I've had no such problems.
I don't want you to be upset at the gear if there is something that can be done to improve your situation.
Take care,
Neal
PS - I'll try to read through all of the remarks posted by Rich as well. I had not seen this thread until today. Gotta love the email alert system, huh?
I will PM you dude
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